447th Bomb Group Association brala udział w bombardowaniu...

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447th Bomb Group Association brala udział w bombardowaniu...

Postautor: J-23kriskros » 28 gru 2006, o 21:30

Zaczerpniete z linka:
1)) http://www.447bg.com/library/crews/hitc ... ner_d.html
2)) http://www.447bg.com/index.html

ad1)) April 11, 1944 - Sttetin, Germany - Longest mission group has ever been on - 11 hours in the air. Target in Poland. Cloud coverage -went to secondary target. Attacked by 12 ME 110's. First time I got a shot at an enemy plane. Flak was accurate - four holes in navigator compartment.


STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 298: 917 bombers and 819
fighters are dispatched in 3 separate forces to bomb production centers
(primarily fighter aircraft factories) and targets of opportunity in N
Germany; 64 bombers are lost, one of the heaviest single-day losses of World
War II. The bombers also drop 2.4 million leaflets. Details are:
1. 341 B-17s are dispatched to hit aviation industry targets at Sorau (108
bomb) and Cottbus (17 bomb); 127 hit Stettin, 20 hit Trechel, 16 hit
Dobberphel and 23 hit targets of opportunity; they claim 12-2-3 Luftwaffe
aircraft; 19 B-17s are lost, 3 damaged beyond repair and 190 damaged;
casualties are 12 KIA, 13 WIA and 200 MIA.
2. Of 302 B-17s dispatched, 172 hit Rostock, 52 hit Politz, 35 hit the
industrial area at Arnimswalde and 15 hit targets of opportunity; they claim
34-20-19 Luftwaffe aircraft; 33 B-17s are lost, 1 damaged beyond repair and
153 damaged; casualties are 2 KIA, 9 WIA and 330 MIA.

3. 274 B-24s are dispatched to hit aviation industry targets at
Oschersleben (121 bomb) and Berenburg (99 bomb); 9 bomb aviation industry
targets at Halberstadt, 9 bomb Eisleben and 5 hit targets of opportunity;
they claim 27-2-1 Luftwaffe aircraft; 12 B-24s are lost, 1 damaged beyond
repair and 63 damaged; casualties are 5 KIA, 9 WIA and 122 MIA.
Escort is provided by 124 P-38s, 454 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-47s and
241 Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-51s; the fighters claim 51-5-25 Luftwaffe
aircraft in the air and 65-0-67 on the grounds: no P-38s are lost; 7 P-47s
are lost and 16 damaged, 7 pilots are MIA; 9 P-51s are lost and 13 damaged, 9
pilots are MIA.
Mission 299: 5 of 5 B-17s drop 2 million leaflets on Paris, Rouen, Le Mans,
Rennes, Vichy, Lyon, Limoges and Toulouse between 2301 and 0055 hours local
without loss.
12 B-24s are dispatched on CARPETBAGGER operations.
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 28 gru 2006, o 23:47

A to juz inne zródło:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 6077.shtml

"...On the 16th of August, a night trip, a very dangerous night trip this one. This time to bomb Stettin. There was an indication that wherever possible, paddle bladed props were to be fitted and we hoped that by this time, ours would be, but it was not to be. However, this was to be the last trip before paddle bladed props were to be fitted. They gave a distinct advantage when gaining height. But, we had to go and do the job, so off we went to do it. We set out en route across the North Sea towards Denmark, across a bit of Norway, up to Sweden, at a very good height — above 20,000 feet I believe. Our route was to take us down Sweden and across the Baltic Sea to bomb this port of Stettin. Swedish fighters came up alongside us, not to attack us but to escort us and make sure we didn’t go any farther, and probably to help keep the German fighters from us. So, we crossed the Baltic Sea, and............." ( cd patrz link)
Nawet sowieci bombardowali Szczecin:


"...A total of 86 naval aircraft participated in the raids, of which 33 were reported to have reached Berlin, while others bombed secondary targets, including Stettin, Königsberg, Memel, Danzig, Swinemünde and Libau. Daylight bombing was even tried, but met with no success and was cancelled..."

(Tragizm pilotów) Polegli podczas bombardowania Szczecina:


"....Command had laid on an attack on the town of Stettin itself to draw attention away from the Canal. However, the bombing was delayed as the marking for the bombs was off track and the aircraft had the terrifying prospect of orbiting the target at only 250 feet, whilst marking was relaid. The aircraft in front of Phil was blown up and they had to negotiate the debris. Out of the 6 aircraft earmarked to bomb the Stettin Canal, one was blown up, one did not reach Stettin and one went missing. It was for this mission and pressing home the attack that Phil was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. Having successfully completed 33 missions Phil and his crew left the Squadron on the 6th October. In 2002, after 58 years Phil was re-united with his Navigator at a Re-union at East Kirkby, the Station from where they flew during the war. ..."

W tym linku godne sa uwagi zdjecia z samolotu na Szczecin:


20/21 April 1943
339 aircraft - 194 Lancasters, 134 Halifaxes, 11 Stirlings - ordered to attack Stettin. This raid, on a target more than 600 miles from England, proved to be the most successful attack beyond the range of Oboe during the Battle of the Ruhr. Visibility was good and the Pathfinder marking was carried out perfectly. 24 fires were still burning when a photographic reconnaissance aircraft flew over Stettin a day and a half later. 21 aircraft - 13 Lancasters, 7 Halifaxes, 1 Stirling - lost, 6.2 per cent of the force.

86 Stirlings were dispatched to attack the Heinkel factory near Rostock but a smoke-screen concealed this target and bombing was scattered. 8 Stirlings were lost.

11 Mosquitos carried out a raid to Berlin as a diversion for the forces attacking Stettin and Rostock; 18 Wellingtons were minelaying off Brittany ports and there were 3 OTU sorties. 1 Mosquito was lost from the Berlin raid.

Tak wygladal rozbity bombowiec Lancaster W4330 z


Aircraft code: UV-H

Date: 21 April 1943

Mission: Bombing, Stettin

"This was followed by the attack on Stettin which was almost a maximum effort by Bomber Command and although it was regarded as being highly successful the crews met withering defences all along the route."


Uczestnicy misji "Fabryka Police" (starcie z niemieckimi Ju88s , Me410s , Me 109s) : http://www.b24.net/stories/mccutcheon.htm

"...Combat Missions - Lt. James McCutcheon - 392nd Bomb Group, 576th Squadron

20 June 1944 Target - Synthetic Oil Plant at Politz 5 mi. North of Stettin
Heavy flak barrage over target. Enemy planes, Ju 88s, ME 410s, and ME 109s, firing rockets attacked our group. No losses in our squadron but group lost four Libs. Target destroyed...."


Jeden z lotników bedacych nad Szczecinem:


16 Aug 44 Stettin ANDERSON, F/L Donald Robert (J23911) - Distinguished Flying Cross - No.582 Squadron - Award effective 15 March 1945 as per London Gazette dated 23 March 1945 and AFRO 721/45 dated 27 April 1945. Born 1921 in Stratford, Ontario. Home in Toronto (clerk). Enlisted there 14 March 1942. Trained at No.5 ITS (graduated 10 October 1942) and No.4 AOS (graduated 19 February 1943). Commissioned February 1943. Award presented 22 June 1949. No citation other than "completed...many successful operations against the enemy in which [he has] displayed high skill, fortitude and devotion to duty." Public Records Office Air 2/9051 has recommendation dated 22 December 1944 when he had flown 45 sorties (187 hours 30 minutes), 18 March to 6 December 1944.

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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 29 gru 2006, o 00:11

Jeszcze ciekawostka:


Monday - May 29, 1944 :
Was right waist gunner on own crew. Briefing at 4:30. Takeoff at 8 o'clock. Lot of flak on way to target and a lot over target. Hit about 30 JU-88s and ME-109s just before and after the IP. Lucky they didn't hit our ship. Chris (left waist gunner) and Stanley (tail gunner) put in a claim for a fighter each. The fight was plenty hot. We made a good hit on target. The target was an oil refinery at Stettin, Germany. Flying time: 8 hrs 15 min. On Oxygen 5 hrs 30 min. Temperature -20. Ship #287. Bomb load 10 500lb GP. Squadron lost 4 ships. A B24 was on top of us on the bombing run and we thought his bombs were going to hit us. They miss us by a hair. Target: Politz, Germany near Stettin.


Lot z May 29, 1944 -cel Police- (ciekawe zdjecia w linku) :

http://home.wwdb.org/srhodes/b24%20java ... 201944.htm

"...The crew woke up at 3:00 AM and were on the flight line at 3:30. At that time they were assigned to 42-94973. The plane did not have a name at that time but went by the letters on the tail, RR. As soon as dawn broke, somewhere around 5:00 AM, they took off for Politz, Germany to bomb the shipping harbor. According to John Forsyth, "It flew good. We didn't have any problems with it". This was my Dad's 29th mission.

Little did they realize that this was going to be their last mission together.

They took their "usual" 52 degrees 30 minutes N, a route which they referred to as the Lincoln Hwy. over the Zuider Zee, Doomer Lake south of Hannover, south of Berlin, turned north and were bombing the port of Stettin on the Baltic seaport just north of Berlin. ..."
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 29 gru 2006, o 00:40

Na zakonczenie losy zalogi Ed Michael(a)
(wspaniala strona :) )

"...Early in April Ed Michael and crew flew their twenty-fifth mission. Instead of mission twenty-six being the flight home, it was now an April 11 mission to bomb a ball-bearing factory at Stettin, 75 miles on the other side of Berlin...."
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 31 gru 2006, o 21:31

B-24 bombing the Politz oil refinery 20 June '44

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/ ... age_06.htm




Politz — attacked by No. 617 21 December 1945


6th Mission, June 20, 1944

We got up at one, we had hotcakes for breakfast. We went to briefing and were told to go way into, Germany and bomb a synthetic oil refinery at Politz. We took off at 4:45 and in the North Sea fighters hit us and knocked four or five B24's down behind us. The water was all ablaze with them. I didn't fire any. One ship started to make a pass at us, but Wood in the tail chased him away. We had lots of flack most of the way and there was about seventy-seven big guns over the target and you could hear the flack break all around us awfully close. We left the target flaming and smoking. Fifty percent of German oil was supposed to come from there.
We sure hit it. We flew 22000 feet. Temperature -20 C. Got back at 1:45. A long trip. I got a little frostbite on my right ear the last time. We carried forty 100-lb bombs. We now get the air medal, they say


Sgt L.R. Botting. Engineer RAF 463 Sq. On 8/9 Feb. 1945. on an op
to Politz in ED611 JO.U the crew were attacked by 2 night fighters
working together. the Lancaster was badly damaged but Sgt Cottroll
shot a JU88 down in flames and the other A/C was evaded. The crew
coaxed the damaged Lancaster back to England and made an emergency
landing at Carnaby.




7 OCTOBER, 1944
The mission would be one that would long live in the history of the
Group. Although the synthetic oil plant at Politz, second largest of
its type in Germany, had been attacked several times, it was again
the target for the Group. The MPI assigned to the 457th was the
distillation plant, which had not yet sustained much damage.
Thirty-six aircraft made up the 94th A Combat Wing and twelve craft
composed the D composite box. Col. Luper flew as Air Commander and
Captain Fischer as pilot


Ed and Helen Woodhouse

http://www.coastalsenior.com/archives/j ... ember.html

As replacement, Ed was gunner/engineer. That meant he sat in the
little glass "bubble" at the top of the B-24. One night his crew
was part of a long run to bomb Politz on the Polish border. They
delivered but were hit in the wing while over the target and
loosing fuel. They had to shut down two engines, drop out of
formation and when they finally limped to the good old North Sea
(safety) their altitude was 2,000 feet.
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 31 gru 2006, o 21:33

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n16527015

Woodruff's bomber was one of five aircraft shot down and 38 others were damaged during the mission over Politz, according to the "History of the 457th Bombardment Group." During that mission and the five before it, 24 bombers in the 457th were shot down, 88 were damaged and 225 crewmen were killed or missing in action, including POWs, the 457th history said.
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aprilskie ... sions.html
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aprilskie ... dbuck.html

88 06/20/44 Politz, Germany – Synthetic Oil
63 05/29/44 Politz, Germany – Synthetic Oil

http://www.457thbombgroup.org/New/NewHi ... thxxx.html

7 Oct. Politz - 5 A/C lost - 38 damaged - 50 crew KIA/MIA
1944 -


For its two missions on this date, the 392nd Bomb Group put up a total of
49 planes.  According to 392nd Bomb Group historian Col. Robert E. Vickers, Jr., this "maximum effort" was "a tribute to all ground maintenance, armament, ordnance and communications personnel of the Group's supporting organizations.  This type of outstanding effort on behalf of these mission support units was typical throughout the 392nd's combat operations and attributed directly to the successes achieved by the Group in all of its
(285) missions.  The 392nd because of this typical effort was always labelled--'a goin' outfit!' as its bombing record among all B-24 units attested."  (The Liberators from Wendling, p. 48)

Mission #116     Target: Politz

Again this rough target would be remembered, not only for the Group’s
heavy losses suffered from the raid of May 29th but from the many
casualties it would also absorb again on this day. The target once
more was the synthetic oil refinery and between 0100 and 0200 hours,
(33) aircrews were briefed. Lieutenant Crowell of the 579th was one
of the two primary Bombardiers while Lieutenant Robinson of the 576th
was the other. Two PFF lead ships were employed on this mission. All
(32) ships went over the target, but some malfunction in the lead PFF
ship caused the first squadron to release its bombs shortly after
leaving the IP. The other two squadrons hit the target with generally
fair results. In all, (812) 100# and 500# bombs were dropped in the
target areas. Problems on this mission were compounded with heavy
enemy aircraft reaction against the 14th Combat Wing formations
starting around 0920 hours, just before the target. An estimated
50-60 fighters of the JU-88 and ME-410 bomber/fighter type hit the
Group to some extent but the burden of their strikes was against the
492nd Group from North Pickenham, a sister 14th Combat Wing B-24
outfit. Flak once more was heavy over the target with (24) ships of
those returning picking up battle damage. Though little else was
known,(4) of the 392nd’s Liberators were listed as lost with their
crews MIA - all believed to have headed toward Sweden. From the 579th
in ship #135, Lieutenant W. M. Forsythe’s crew was heard to announce
over VHF "A" Channel after bombs away, position 5417N-1224E, that his
aircraft was headed in that direction and under control. In ship #343
of the 577th, Lieutenant C. L. Bell’s crew was last seen at 1015
hours, position 5417N-1224E, also heading on the same course under
control. From the 577th also, Lieutenant L. Page in aircraft #125 was
observed last, immediately after bombs away, heading toward Sweden
too - this being his second trip to this neutral country. From the
579th, ship #586 with Lieutenant W. A. Schafer was last seen at 1015,
position 5417N-1227E, also heading in that direction. The remaining
aircraft returned safely with Group gunners claiming (3) enemy
aircraft kills. The mission ships landed around 1345 hours with (4)
Liberators and their (40) crew personnel missing-in-action.
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 31 gru 2006, o 21:39

Gorąco polecam zdjęcia z nalotu na Police:
B-24 bombing the Politz oil refinery 20 June '44

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/ ... age_06.htm
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Postautor: Busol » 31 gru 2006, o 21:47

J-23kriskros pisze:Gorąco polecam zdjęcia z nalotu na Police:
B-24 bombing the Politz oil refinery 20 June '44

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/ ... age_06.htm
A jakbys to wszystko przetlumaczyl to mysle ze powstalby bardzo ciekawy artykul
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 1 sty 2007, o 16:16

Proponuje aby kazdy chetny przetlumaczyl po kawalku wowczas dolacze - tak bedzie szybciej.
A teraz widoki wspolczesne tych samych fotek:
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 2 sty 2007, o 14:16

Odnosnie nalotow na fabryke silników do Junkersów w Zalomiu:
"...w Załomiu było 47 domów i 493 mieszkańców. W latach 30-tych ubiegłego stulecia folwark należał do Paula Schrödera. We wsi był kościół i dworzec kolejowy, zamieszkiwało ją 391 osób. W 1934 powstał zakład produkujący silniki lotnicze do samolotów "Junkers", który przetrwał 10 lat i zniszczony został w trakcie nalotów w 1944 r...."

A oto i historia z (11 kwiecień 1944)
Combat Diary: S/Sgt Louis J. Torretta:
MISSION # 22 APRIL 11th 1944

BOMB LOAD 10 Demolition each 100 pounds.

"Wow" what a ride today. Our target was an oil plant near Poznan Poland but again the weather was against us and we had to bomb the secondary target which was an air field (Arnimwalde/ Załom). It is located at Stettin in (Germany). It set out in the woods and we had a heck of a time finding it. When the Germans discovered what we were looking for they tried to hide it with a smoke screen and that just gave it away. We took off at 0530 o’clock and landed at 1700 – 11-1/2 hours. We were able to see the target very clear and we had a good score. We ran into some enemy fighters and we sort of took a beating. They were ME 110s, about 12 of them. We lost Lt Pauling’s crew #15. They were very good friends of mine.

Later we heard they were headed for Sweden. I hope they made it.

About three weeks later we heard they had landed on a small island which was occupied by the Germans. It was the small island of Bornholm just off Sweden. About one month later they came back to the field all dressed in civilian clothes. Five out of ten escaped to Sweden and they were returned to us. The other five were never heard from again. They were either killed or taken prisoners.

There is a rule that if American soldiers escape into Sweden or any neutral country they are to be returned to their respective country. But if they just make a forced landing or something to that affect they will be interned for the Duration.
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Postautor: Busol » 2 sty 2007, o 18:38

J-23kriskros pisze:Proponuje aby kazdy chetny przetlumaczyl po kawalku wowczas dolacze - tak bedzie szybciej.
A teraz widoki wspolczesne tych samych fotek:
Drogi Kriskros - Fajnie ze kopiujesz cale akapity.
No nawet niech bedzie ze o Policach, ale pliz. Kopiowanie tego wszystkiego bez jakiegokolwiek tlumaczenia nie ma sensu - podawaj linki.

Ja sobie przeczytalem i zrozumialem. Czesc pewnie tez.
Ale prosze. Jeden akapit ok ale to watek w polskojezycznej czesci

Jak chcesz abyu ktos potlumaczyl to zacznij pierwszy tak bedzie najszybciej...

Dzieki za zrozumienie
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 3 sty 2007, o 20:48

Z przykroscia stwierdzam ze zalogowalem sie i przetlumaczylem czesc tekstu poswiecilem troche czasu i w momencie kiedy skonczylem kliknąlem WYSLIJ i w tym momencie myslalem ze mnie wszystkie ... :evil: . Otóz co zobaczylem: ZOLOGUJ SIE !!!! , przeciez to zrobilem z, zatem cale tlumaczenia :twisted: wzieli !!!!. Wynika ze jezeli ktos tlumaczy i pójdzie sobie w miedzyczasie na kawe i wróci ,popisze dalej to w miedzyczasie zostanie wylogowany i nieswiadomie na koniec klikajac WYSLIJ zdziwi sie ze wszystko prysło!! Dziekuje za uwage. :cry:
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Postautor: bronx » 3 sty 2007, o 22:00

No cóż, propozycja jest prosta, jak piszemy coś więcej niż dwa zdania, piszemy to choćby w najprostrzym notatniku windowsowym ew. w Wordzie (ta druga metoda ma jeszcze taką zaletę że błędy poprawia, niektórym by się przydało) i nawet jak idziemy zaparzyć sobie kawkę/nalać browarna to dokument też zapisujemy, bo a nóż widelec wyłączą nam prąd. Ja działam w ten sposób i nie mam takich problemów. Wiem że teraz powiesz że to skomplikowane i w ogóle jak to tak może być, ale tak jest i już, a do takich wniosków dochodzi się samoczynnie jak napisze się na różnych forach (nie tylko tutaj) ponad 1000 postów i tak ze trzy razy człowiekowi wetnie większą ilość tekstu, wtedy to nie jest już dla niego problemem takie rozwiązanie. Też nie raz to przeżyłem.
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Postautor: J-23kriskros » 6 sty 2007, o 21:22

No to coś w języku ojczystym:

Żródło: http://www.karsibor.com/

Pomnik lotników RAF

I jeszcze jedna kartka z historii, bliższa naszym czasom. W czasie II wojny światowej 16 kwietnia 1945 rejon Świnoujścia bombardowany był przez alianckie lotnictwo. Podczas nalotu bombowego na cumujący na kanale krążownik „LÜTZOW” jeden z samolotów 617 Dywizjonu RAF-u, bombowiec „Lancaster” został zestrzelony. W południowej części wyspy, w karsiborskim lesie znajduje się symboliczny grób angielskich lotników (pochowani są na cmentarzu Cytadeli Poznańskiej) z pomnikiem - fragmentem skrzydła zestrzelonego samolotu, upamiętniającym miejsce tragedii.

Szkoda ze w ten sam sposób nie zadbano o samoloty zestrzelone w naszej okolicy . A może znacie miejsca w ktorych mozna by było symbolicznie oznakować miejsca takich upadków? Czasem warto wykorzystać relacje świadków (ktorych z czasem ubywa) w celu identyfikacji strąconych samolotów. Mam na myśli okolicznych mieszkańców tych miejsc. Większość tych samolotów rozebrali oczywiście złomiarze w latach PRLu, ale warto chyba jednak upamiętnić te miejsca. Proszę tylko aby nie ujawniać na FORUM precyzyjnych danych dotyczących lokalizacji. Warto aby najpierw kompetentni ludzie zweryfikowali ten teren , a potem włodarze terenu zadbali o odpowiednie miejsce pamięci.
Faktem jest ze czasem piloci wodowali swoje maszyny i do dziś spoczywają one na dnie zbiorników wodnych, z tymi trzeba ostrożnie bo mogą być rozgrabione przez amatorów.
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Postautor: J-23 » 6 sty 2007, o 21:29

J-23kriskros pisze:...fragmentem skrzydła zestrzelonego samolotu, upamiętniającym miejsce tragedii. ...
Jeśli mnie pamięć nie myli to kilka lat temu złomiarze ukradli cały fragment skrzydła a obecny pomnik to tylko kopia tego skrzydła.

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